[POLITICS]: My List of Grievances

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 03/27/2019 at 10:05 • Filed to: None

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Including some that I did not know that I had. Certain at-times- pee vish- sounding Ops will point out, and rightly so, I think , that this makes a good list of reasons not to vote for the guy, but not a good list of reasons to impeach him.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 10:17

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Agree on all points, although I think the author left out his attacks on the intelligence community.

He’s a piece of shit, but that’s not actually an impeachable offense.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 10:18

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And we’ll probably never see the full text, as untouchable wealthy experienced men detached from the real world for their entire existence , who know better, need to protect us for our own good.

No reason to despair, just ride out the next 1-5 years, then wait for unpardonable state charges.

To paraphrase The Onion:

“Mueller must feel pretty stupid after only convicting Trump’s former lawyer, campaign manager , national security adviser, and other business associates.”  

LOREM IPSUM > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 10:24

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The real problem with voting is that, generally speaking, all of the options are hot garbage. It really doesn’t matter who wins because in the end, “ We the People” will be screwed by them in one way or another.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > WilliamsSW 03/27/2019 at 10:29

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Yes it is. Period.

They impeached Clinton for non-criminal sexual harassment and you’re going to claim actual crimes aren’t enough? No.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 10:36

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Remember when all the House newbies got their knickers in a twist when, weeks before the Mueller report dropped, Pelosi said that they needed to give up on impeachment ? I appreciate the fire of AOC and her class, but they need to look to their elders.

Pelosi : I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it. ( WaPo )

Remember, Clinton got impeached for lying about a blow job.

jimz > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 03/27/2019 at 10:48

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no, he was impeached on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. 

WilliamsSW > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 03/27/2019 at 10:49

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I don’t believe they should have impeached him, so that’s not a good example in my view.

Seems like they omitted obstruction by him with Stormy, etc - which could be impeachable, but where’s the proof.

Just to be clear - I * do* believe he’s a criminal - but the proof seems to be elusive thus far. 

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:16

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Can you impeach him for being a populist New Yorker who spends too much time online?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 03/27/2019 at 11:17

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If I’m honest? The list was actually TLDR. I’m tired of the scumbag, but it was never my impulse to impeach the guy.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 03/27/2019 at 11:18

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Hot take: perjury is bad.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 03/27/2019 at 11:18

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And Root plays the whatabout card...

That impeachment should not have happened. Bad precedent.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 03/27/2019 at 11:20

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Good morning. I haven’t heard from you in tarzogs .

Go out and vote in 2020!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > LOREM IPSUM 03/27/2019 at 11:20

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The rich will keep getting richer. Personally? I thank the Clintons for this mess.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 03/27/2019 at 11:21

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Clinton should not have solicited that blow job. If he hadn’t, we very well might not have Donald Trump as president.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > For Sweden 03/27/2019 at 11:25

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Or tweeting too much from the shitter at 3am?

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:28

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Impeachment was always a hail Mary and wishful thinking. Plus I don’t think it’s good for the country, and leaves us with Pence as president. Not an ideal outcome. 

Tapas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:28

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Problem is that since collusion has become such a highly debated issue, people lose site of all the other shit that he’s done.

The bar for impeachment isn’t just collusion, its a whole bunch of other things that he is guilty of, in my opinion. There’s a total of 17 ongoing investigations into his shady dealings.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:33

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I didn’t say it shouldn’t have.

But let’s see.

He’s employed illegal immigrants, paid off a porn star, accepted foreign campaign contributions, actively collaborated with foreign actors known to be directly involved in crimes, has direct connections to organized crime, paid off publications to suppress negative stories, used public office to promote businesses under his control, used public office to personally enrich himself, defended Nazis, interfered with the security vetting process, actively promoted and engaged in seditious conspiracy, half his campaign staff is convicted or under indictment , but no collusion!! NO CRIME!!

People can FUCK OFF with their bullshit about ‘no grounds for impeachment.’ Your boy is a criminal.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > WilliamsSW 03/27/2019 at 11:33

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He paid off a fucking porn star. It’s proven. They have the fucking receipts and the lawyer was convicted.

What more fucking proof do you want?

Either the rule of law matters or it doesn’t.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:34

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Mueller’s focus was pretty narrow, and if he couldn’t find enough evidence to prove collusion with Russia so be it. But his investigation led to a lot of stuff being dug up, and consequent referrals to other jurisdictions will keep Trump under the microscope going forward I think.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > jimz 03/27/2019 at 11:35

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Charges which were drummed up out of thin fucking air with no basis in fact.

Whereas we have a sitting shithead who has proudly and openly engaged in both of these things and people are still arguing “not enough to impeach.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 03/27/2019 at 11:36

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It’s all been great business for the Media, though.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:38

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As he likes to remind them...

jimz > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 03/27/2019 at 11:47

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Your boy is a crimin al.

stop with this “your boy” shit. STOP IT RIGHT NOW. Don’t try to pigeonhole me into that  side just because I disagreed with you on a minor point.  He’s not “my boy.” Never has been and never will be. 

you’re doing the same goddamn thing as the MAGA types who think “owning the libs” is the most important thing in this country.

jimz > LOREM IPSUM 03/27/2019 at 11:52

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This. the thing that makes me grind my teeth the hardest are people who- when I say I really don’t care for T- respond “well would you rather have President Hillary, libtard?”

No, I didn’t want either, and didn’t vote for either. It’s not my problem that those people are so intellectually deficient they can’t understand someone who refuses to pick a side. “Teamball” in politics is for the lazy and stupid.

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 03/27/2019 at 11:54

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I agree. But that dog and pony show to bring that whole blow job thing to the point of a  deposition is worse.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:54

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Did he “solicit” it? I would wager that it was mutual, and the whole thing might have been a set up from the start.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:55

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Definitely.

Fortunately, I live in a first world state, so even if I voted regressively, the decision is virtually already made.  I think I am going to plan to be out of the country on election day.

wafflesnfalafel > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 11:58

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She in particular is a bit tone deaf and seemed to have a hard time picking good folks to work for her.

And just in general - I appreciate the discussion. Just between you and me I lean center left, with a sprinkling of libertarian.  Counties are stronger and more stable the larger their middle class is and we have fairly consistently chosen to remove incentives in that direction. It’s all us. The trumpster is a skilled politician. I don’t like a bunch of things he does, politically and personally and I personally am convinced he is being driven by monetary ties to several other countries. But he has a very good chance at handily winning 2020 - he just has to split the opposition, which he is very good at even when they are organized, (and arguably they are not.)

My gut feeling, and no joke, is that only Uncle Joe really has a chance for the Dems. And heck, he’s got a really nice Vette - with a real manual transmission and proper round taillights.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 03/27/2019 at 12:02

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Sleeping with the help is bad, and I don’t think she was an agent of a conspiracy.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 03/27/2019 at 12:13

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He’s not my boy; I didn’t vote for him.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 03/27/2019 at 12:13

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Point out that you didn’t vote for Trump and leave it at that. Don’t fall for the trap.

BigBlock440 > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 03/27/2019 at 12:14

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Charges which were drummed up out of thin fucking air with no basis in fact.

So, Clinton didn’t  get a BJ, or did he not lie to congress?

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 12:15

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Sometimes I thin Colbert lays it on too thick but this bit was perfectly done

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 03/27/2019 at 12:16

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Sleeping with the help is bad,

But is it worthy of a Special Counsel investigation? Republicans are oh so chaste and Puritanical, until it comes to unifying the base.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 03/27/2019 at 12:18

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It’s probably not worth all the trouble, but I’m not going to feel bad for someone who could have avoided everything by telling the truth the first time.  Or not sleeping with the help.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Tapas 03/27/2019 at 12:21

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I don’t know enough about anything to have an answer to this question, but it’s been asked of me: is it right to use law enforcement to delegitimize a sitting president? Is that what’s happening? Should Hillary Clinton be investigated with some zeal also?

I don’t have answers, only questions, but these are worth mulling -- muellering? -- over, IMHO.

WilliamsSW > jimz 03/27/2019 at 12:23

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^^^^

nermal > ttyymmnn 03/27/2019 at 12:29

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I generally view Pelosi as a moron, but she’s right here.

Also, the Clinton case was a textbook example of quid-pro-quo sexual harassment. The first thing they teach you in president training is that you should under no circumstances  doink the interns.

Tapas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 13:08

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I’m glad you’re asking with an open mind and understand that you’re not current on every topic. I can’t say my knowledge on the issues is immaculate, but I have been following these things with some focus.

Law enforcement should be allowed to investigate people regardless of power, influence or political standing, when they have probable cause to do so. If you ask me or most people, there’s more than enough of that with Trump.

Presidents should not be above the law. Law enforcement is not   de legiti mizing the President, they are bringing the consequences of his (President’s) own actions.

I should also add this detail to emphasize that these investigations are not because they don’t like Trump as a President - T he FBI has investigated Trump more than once in the 80s and 90s because of his shady dealings, according to a very recent Freedom of Information Request.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/26/fbi-releases-documents-trump-organization

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/07/29/judge-balks-fbi-foia-timeline-17-years-241127

To answer your questions about Hillary - she has been subject to 10 separate congressional investigations. All of them found her to be free of wrongdoing. In fact, these Congressional investigations cost more than the Congressional investigation into 9/11. I should also mention FBI’s investiga tion into her emails, which also cleared her of wrong doing. I feel that that zeal was more than sufficient.

Besides, there is no reason to investigate her anymore. She is not the President or running for the position. It has been 2 damn years since she has had anything to do with Politics. So people’s need to have more investigations is an unreasonable comparison.

Or if this need for investigations comes from a need for “ fairness” , that’s not how fairness works. If there’s smoke coming from one house and firefighters douse it with water, the neighbor with an identical but perfectly fine house can’t be mad his house didn’t get the fire hose. There was no nee d.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 03/27/2019 at 13:21

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That’s my take. In fairness, we cannot say that Trump is a criminal because he has not been convicted. They’ll be investigating him and his children until he dies.

wkiernan > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 13:23

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No one reading this knows what is in the Mueller report. The statement by A.G. Barr was worse that meaningless, as any serious observer would have expected, insofar as Sessions was fired and Barr installed specifically because he publicly prejudged T***p as being as pure and innocent as the driven snow .

But I’d bet you $1.47 right now that if you could read the uncensored Mueller report, it would say something along the lines of “ We didn’t indict D****d J. T***p on charges of obstruction of justice because it was specifically excluded from our ambit in accordance with the Justice Department rule that a president can’t be indicted , only imp eached . However, we did accumulate a vast amount of irrefutable evidence regarding said obstruction of justice to present to Congress, where they can decide whether or not to impeach the illiterate racist pig, and here that evidence is...”

One reason I think this is the case is because when T***p fired James Comey he got on teevee and said “I fired James Comey over the T****p/Rusher business...” When a criminal openly confesses a crime I tend to believe him.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 03/27/2019 at 13:24

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He stirs up s**t then whines about all the s**t. He has an insatiable appetite for press, negative or positive.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 03/27/2019 at 13:29

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I see your point, but when one player is a 19-YO kid and the other is the POTUS, it’s inappropriate. Fraternization and all.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 03/27/2019 at 13:29

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Same.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 03/27/2019 at 13:33

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They teach the doink thing in other jobs as well, particularly when you are the chief executive.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 03/27/2019 at 13:34

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Or on a boat on an ocean, just off shore.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > wafflesnfalafel 03/27/2019 at 13:40

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Joe coulda won 2016 handily, but HRC. I know stalwart conservatives who woulda voted for Joe. I blame the Clintons for this mess.

But Joe’s too old.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 03/27/2019 at 13:56

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Colbert, Jon Stewart, I love them, but I think their cynicism is ultimately not helpful. They’re brilliant and I know they get it, but lazy intellectual Liberals just belly up to the trough and high five each other and don’t do any actual thinking or do any considering of what they really care about.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 14:07

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But is it impeachable? Because really, that’s what the Starr investigation was all about. Getting to articles of impeachment. They probably knew that Clinton could’t keep from lying, and he couldn’t. Why do you suppose Trump’s lawyers were so dead set against Trump testifying?

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 14:10

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i agree completely, but i thought this piece had the right tone

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Tapas 03/27/2019 at 14:20

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There are two narratives on all of this and yours is one of them. I am curious what those 10 Hillary investigations all were.

The concern, and please note that I do not explicitly say my concern, is not that law enforcement is (potentially) delegitimizing the POTUS, but that law enforcement is being used as a tool to deligitimize the POTUS.

I can’t give your reply the attention it deserves right now because, frankly, work, but please stay in touch...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 03/27/2019 at 14:21

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You ask me questions but you never reply when I ask you questions.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > wkiernan 03/27/2019 at 14:30

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As I saw Nancy quoted, “Let’s get the goods.”

You can tell me all of these things, and I’d lean toward thinking exactly the same way, but it’s one of two diametrically opposed narratives and how to try and reconcile those narratives without shouting slogans at one another?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 03/27/2019 at 14:47

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Because he’d say something incriminating. You should ask ImmoralMinority why he things, or how he things, that Trump escaped testifying.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 03/27/2019 at 14:48

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I’ll watch it when I get rid of these kids.

Tapas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 15:29

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The 10 investigations were mostly Benghazi. But don’t quote me on that, it was a quick Google search that brought up the number.

I see what you mean. Politicians and people in power have abused the legal system for a long time to delegitimize their opponents, but I don’t think this is one of those times. People have serious and genuine concerns about the actions of the President.

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 15:48

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at the very least, Biden would not have been cowed by Trump’s brash one-liners and nicknames.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 03/27/2019 at 16:05

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Trump is devastatingly good at those. He is going to devour anyone who runs against him in 2020.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 03/27/2019 at 16:25

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I watched it. Colbert has aged.

Trump is appalling. And people love the job he is doing.

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 16:25

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/26/again-first-responders-are-pleading-with-congress-fund-their-health-care-again-jon-stewart-is-joining-them/

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 16:26

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whose_Boat_Is_This_Boat%3F

wkiernan > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 17:14

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You’re right about that. Nobody knows anything about the contents of the report except a hand f u l of insi ders. I’d bet $1.47 on my fanciful interpretation the same way a sports fan will bet his favorite team will win the big game tomorrow, but I’d hardly have the nerve to claim I know what’s in the damn thing, unlike all those tools on Fox “News” who are shouting themselves hoarse claiming that it has magically exonerated Il Duce . As for the tools in the White House, every word out of their mouths for two years thus far has been a lie, so whatever they say is completely worthless.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 03/27/2019 at 17:38

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Both of these examples are solid examples of activism outside of the normal snarky grind of television shows, which is really what I was talking about. I am definitely tuned with and in support of what these guys stand for.

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 17:40

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They do quite a bit of it actually, I was just perplexed at the lazy  liberals comment.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 03/27/2019 at 17:54

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Let me qualify: lazy liberals for whom the only thought they give to how they feel about what’s going on in the country is the sarcasm of Colbert or Stewart. The same for lazy conservatives who do little more than belly up to Fock Snooze. General laziness and snark. People need to think and explore and ask questions of each other.

I love Colbert and Stewart, I just don’t watch any television because it’s kind of a lazy endeavor generally. Netflix <> Television...

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 17:58

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I get that, have you read the book Them?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 03/27/2019 at 18:12

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Hadn’t heard of it; just looked it up. Can’t say I’m eager to read it... I do my utmost to facilitate civil discourse everywhere I can, and to dig for what’s actually truth. When I dig around the current POTUS, my shovel is filling with dung.

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/27/2019 at 18:16

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Understood, it's a good read if you do find the time.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 03/27/2019 at 18:26

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I feel very, very strongly about the current POTUS; I’m just trying to make a very strong good faith effort to not be deranged about it.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 03/27/2019 at 18:40

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Thank you for the recommendation. I struggle to make myself sit still long enough to read a book, even a good one. Then it’s a spasm where I can’t do anything else until it’s done.